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Oct 08, 2004



N,The public has come out of its caotntaia aboutthe bullshit policies of the so-called conservative party.If they're so goddamned compassionate,when are they gonna get around to helping the people of Nawlins?They sure as hell dawdled over helping the banks and airlines with the corporate welfare now did'nt they?Dont even want to get started on the tax cuts for the motherfuckers.The Dems now hold the fate of this country in their hands(now if they'll just find some testicles)and its all because of the culture of corruption conserevatives that the dems are winning back control one seat at a time whetherin congress or the circuit courts or the local librarian,they all play a part.Now they need to point out the Bullshit first but give credit where its due because not all conservatives are charlatans,just most of them.


Yeah, Stan, and if it had been a Democratic president going to a cobmat area for a holiday visit you'd be calling it political grandstanding without a second thought. At least I'm giving the guy credit for going.Clinton met the embassy bombing victims' remains at Dover AFB, eulogized victims of terrorist attacks, and didn't start an admittedly (thank you, Mr. Perle) illegal war. He also promoted new rules concerning the DoD's handling of veterans' funerals, mandating that certain provisions be provided by the military to honor the dead.And regarding Cheney at the Wellstone event: what is the biggest difference between the Wellstone memorial and the average military funeral for soldiers killed in Iraq? If you answered 20,000 people were at the Wellstone event, and screening all of them would have been much more of a pain than you're implying, then you win!


"Ferris" (sic my name is FARRIS)"Not winning is the same as lonisg in that situation.That depends what your timeframe is. Pick a date at random between 1950 and 1990 and ask yourself""NATO vs. the Soviet Bloc: Winning or Losing?"Alliances of governments against each other not the same thing at all as a government vs an internal insurrection. Almost the entire cold war was stasis with the occasional blip."United Kingdom vs. IRA: Winning or Losing?"Losing in that the IRA got the british government to negotiations and most of what they wanted. But framing the conflict as IRA/UK is simplistic as it ignores the loyalist paramilitaries which all together were more violent than the IRA."Peru vs. Shining Path: Winning or Losing?"The Peruvian government was mostly winning that in that Shining Path never got broad peasant-based support and only ever had any success in a few provinces."Israel vs. PLO: Winning or Losing?"See-sawed but the PLO basically won the first (long round) gettingtIsrael to negotiations and concessions from them. Yes, being Palestinians they quickly squandered the fruits of victory but the first intifada was very much a Palestinian victory. Though again that's not so much government - insurgents as a long protracted territorial conflict that will continue in stasis until one side or the other gives up as there's not enough will on either side to get along.Getting back to Iraq, the problems are far more extensive than the simple US/Iraqi government vs insurgents. The sectarian paramilitaries are more interested in killing each other than the occupiers or their proxy government. Nationalism in Arab countries is always a problematic thing as Arabs are highly motivated by questions of group loyalty that are only activated at a higher level of opposition. That is, Iraqis don't exist in Iraq but only in contrast to Kuwaitis or Egyptians. There's no positive value being Iraqi for its own sake. Within Iraq, group loyalties are tied up with religious and ethnic identity (though there's always been lots of intermarriage). That is, there aren't 'muslims' in Iraq there are Sunnis and Shias who can only unite against the threat of another (non-Muslim) religion.So, fighting for the future of the country is a non-starter for most Iraqis, fighting for the future of their family, clan or religious sect is something they believe in very much.

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